Shimano SpeedMaster Surf Rods Review

Name: Shimano SpeedMaster Surf Rods
Brand: Shimano
SKU: fcd827f1
Rating: 98.60 (14 reviews)

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The Shimano SpeedMaster Surf Rods are designed to deliver top tier performance at an incredible value. All models in the SpeedMaster series feature blanks with actions optimized for long distance casting and proper lure action. Paired with Shimano Long Cast Concept reels these versatile rods can pu...t anglers within range of anything that swims along the coastline. SpeedMaster Surf Rods are built around a 24ton carbon composite blank wrapped with durable black Fuji K-Frame Guides with alconite inserts. The guides are spaced according to Shimanos Custom Long Cast Concept Guide Spacing System for optimal line management. The rod handles feature a shrink tube grip material that offers optimal amounts of grip and comfort in wet conditions.

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TEETOP

2 years ago

Great rod for surf .. cant beat it .. Get you one !!!

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Well worth the money

Jason

2 years ago

Rod handles great very good casbilly.

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Best rod I own!

ERIC

2 years ago

6 months I have use this rod and let me tell you, I have not a single complain, I can easily cast it over 100 yards, I have caught I a couple of sharks that were easily over 50lbs and the rod seemed like it could take so much more, at 150$ don't hesitate its a beast of a rod!

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Shimano speed master 10'6" and 12'

Hawk

3 years ago

This 10'6" rod is awesome for surf casting plugs for stripers . It loads nice and casts way over 100 yards. Strong backbone brings in large stripers with ease. Very light so my arm and shoulder doesn't cramp up. I also got the 12' for chunk bait fishing and it casts way out with bait and sinker. Very strong for fighting fish and landing them. I will probably buy more in the future.

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Pluging rod

Danny P.

3 years ago

I purchase ( 2) shimano speed Master 10'6ft rods. One year ago. I also reels is a Shimano saragosa 10000 braid line. 80lbs beyond braid. Other shimano saragosa 50000 load with 60 Lbs beyond braid line. Both rods are great with the set up. I caught big GT with this shimano speed master rods and with this reels.

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AMAZINGLY LIGHT AND CAST A MILE

Jim

3 years ago

BLOWN AWAY BY HOW LIGHT THIS POLE IS FOR ITS SIZE. PAIRED THIS UP WITH THE ULTEGRA 5500 AND IT WORKS WONDER. TOTALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING ANOTHER ONE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

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Great

Johnny

3 years ago

Light and great rod

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Shimano speedmaster 12 medium heavy casting

Eddie

3 years ago

Great rod fast shipping very nicely wrapped. Looks nice worth the money. I would recommend this rod to people. I will pair this up with my avet reel and see how it work out. Tackledirect is the best place to shop for fishing equipments.

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110MH2 Surf Rod

Joel

3 years ago

Paired it with my Saragosa 10K and Stella 14K for surf fishing in Cabo along the Pacific. The rod is great, however I think this model was too heavy for casting into the open surf for Sierra using jigs. Worked really well with poopers. Going to use this rod from now on when I'm casting near rocks and need to muscle in big fish. Since the price is really reasonable, I picked up a… read more lighter Medium model with more action which should solve my problem and improve my cast.

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Very nice Surf rod that is well worth the money! - 12' Casting option

Donald

4 years ago

I have a Penn Prevail II of similar specs to compare this to and I can say that it is worth every bit more than the Penn cost and then some...although the cost is not that much more. I love my Prevail 12' but did not realize how much the casting performance could be improved until I used this. I would give the Penn a slight edge in toughness but that's typical for Penn. The Shimano… read more is skinnier in profile and feels better with my reels in my hands specifically for anything more than soaking bait (Shimano Tranx 400, Penn Fathom II Casting Special). Also it is just noticeably lighter and therefore more pleasant for a long day of fishing. The construction and finish are holding up well so far and I wish they would make better sleeves to protect 2 piece surf rods in storage and travel. Tackle Direct make it happen please!

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Big Baits

David

4 years ago

I'm really pleased to to have this heavier rod now. Had spare reel and got this rod specifically for bigger baits and it works great at a fair price.

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A lot of rod for the money

Brent

4 years ago

Great rod that feels like it has the power of a one-piece rod despite being a two-piece. The rod doesn't load extremely easily, but you get used to it quickly. Depending on the retrieve, rod works well with the walking baits (surface and sub), pencil poppers, spoons, poppers, and stickbaits that I've tried on it. Rod doesn't have as much sensitivity as I'd want for dragging the… read more bottom with bucktails but can do that job too. Overall a fantastic rod at this price point.

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Just bought

Jeffrey

5 years ago

Just ordered this rod mostly due too its extremly well pre reviews and have been told by my 3 favorite bait stores and old salts said this is best rod for the money hands down and hopefully will handle Stripers on the North Shore of Mass....
Went with 10.6 and plan to use a Battle 2 6000 with 30-50lb Power Pro.

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I want another!

Tim

5 years ago

Love thus rod for the beach casting! I've teamed it up with several different reels and it works great with everything from a 5500 to a 7000 pro rocket.
It's the medium heavy and it handles any fish I've had on so far. I'm looking forward to getting another.
It's a very comfortable rod to fish with in the surf.

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Shimano SpeedMaster Surf Rods Questions and Answers

Asked by Owen Ashdown 3 years ago

Hi, I asked a previous question (thanks for responding), but I have one other question. Between the the 12 foot medium heavy, and just heavy, what are the main differences between them besides reaction speed. Which would be better to catch 3 foot sandbar

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Alex T 3 years ago

That would pretty much be the only different. the 12'HF action rod will be much stiffer and provide more back bone when casting large baits and heavy sinkers, and give you a little more power when fighting these fish.the 12' MHMF action rod will provid

Asked by Yimin 3 years ago

If use the 12' rod for topwater popper (~2OZ) fishing, which one is better, <a href="https://www.fishermansworld.net/spms120mh2.html" style="background: 0px 0px rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(66, 139, 202); text-decoration-line: none; outline: none; font-

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Rick - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

Yimin,For throwing poppers around 2oz, you would be better with the Shimano Speedmaster SPMS120MH2 surf rod.Â Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with.

Asked by Suresh Salaam 3 years ago

Can the spinning 12â€™ heavy of this rod be paired with a daiwa bg 8000? And the lure rating says 2-6 oz but do you think it can be pushed to 8 oz?

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Rick - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

Suresh,You can pair the BG8000 with the 12ft H Speedmaster surf rod.Â You should be able to cast 8oz with that combo as the rod is rated 3-8oz.Â Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with.

Asked by T 3 years ago

What is the distance from the bottom of the rod to the reell seat? In regards to the 12' mh casting rod? Thanks

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Rick - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

T,The distance from the end of rod butt to the reel seat is 27 3/4 inches for 12' SpeedMaster casting surf rod.Â Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with.

Asked by Dee 3 years ago

The 9' Speedmaster is rated for 30 - 50# Braided line. What weight range of mono would work best on this rod?

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Rick - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

Dee,That will depend on the reel you are pairing the SpeedMaster 9ft surf with, but normally you wouldn't go over 30lb mono and ideally 12 - 20 mono would work best for casting.Â Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with.

Asked by Todd 3 years ago

What Shimano reel would you recommend for the 12 foot medium heavy casting rod? Will be used to fish in the surf in northern Florida. Thanks for your time and advice.

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Paul Olah 3 years ago

I would recommend the <a href="https://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-srg10000swapg-saragosa-sw-a-spinning-reel.html">Shimano SRG10000SWAPG Saragosa SW A Spinning Reel</a>Â plenty of capacity for the distance you will be throwing and a great reel to fight f

Asked by Dara 3 years ago

I plan to buy this rod with 11', Is it possible to pair with Shimano baitrunner 8000D reel?

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Paul Olah 3 years ago

Yes those two will pair well with each other for the surf!

Asked by rob 3 years ago

hi guys what reel would pair well with my SPMS100M2 - 10' - Medium iam trying to do long casting surf fishing from Jetty, beach and piersthe target species that iam looking are bluefish, big stripe bass, albies and fluke.

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Paul Olah 3 years ago

Here are three options I would recommend:<a href="https://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-stc5000xgfl-stradic-fl-spinning-reel.html">Shimano STC5000XGFL Stradic FL Spinning Reel</a><a href="https://www.tackledirect.com/penn-btliii5000

Asked by Francis j 3 years ago

Would the 9ft version pair well with a tsunami saltx 6000?

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Paul Olah 3 years ago

Â TheÂ <a href="https://www.tackledirect.com/tsunami-salt-x-stx6000-spinning-reels.html">Tsunami STX6000 SaltX Spinning Reel</a> and theÂ <a href="https://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-spms90m2-speedmaster-surf-spinning-rod.html">Shimano SPMS90M2 SpeedMast

Asked by Ted nichols 3 years ago

What is the weight of the 9 foot rod

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Billy - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

Whenever we get stock of these rods, we will weigh them and post it.Â

Asked by David 3 years ago

On the 12ft Hvy power rod, how many line guides are there on the lower section of the Rod?

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Austin Kearney 3 years ago

There are no guides on the bottom half of the rod when split. All the guides are on the top section of the rod.

Asked by C 3 years ago

Any comment for this rod 10' 6 MH paired with Saragosa 5000 reel? Thanks

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Rick - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

C,The Shimano SpeedMaster 10'6" surf rod will pair nicely with the Shimano Saragosa SW 5000 (or 6000 if you want a bit more line capacity).Â Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with.

Asked by Owen Ashdown 3 years ago

Would the speedmaster xtc 14000, pair nicely with the shimano speedmaster spinning rod? Will sharks be able to be caught with this rod? What pound line would be necessary for about 3 foot sand bars?

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Alex T 3 years ago

The reel you mentioned would pair well with a 12' H rated model for sharking. I would recommend loading this reel up with 60-100#braid depending on whether you cast your bait or kayak your bait out.

Asked by Dan 3 years ago

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Alex T 3 years ago

This Penn Clash 5000 would pair well with the Shimano 9'. Medium rated rod, should balance nicely and be light for a long day of casting

Asked by Joel 3 years ago

Which model would be appropriate for a Saragosa 10000? I have 50 LB test braid on the reel. Thanks

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Alex T 3 years ago

I would recommend pairing with the 10'6-12' Medium heavy rated model rods depending where you're fishing and what for

Asked by Brian 4 years ago

Would a saltiga ld30h match the 11ft rod?

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Brian 4 years ago

The Speedmaster Surf Rod that would pair up with that reel would be the 12' Conventional model in the link below: <a href="https://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-spmc120mh2-speedmaster-surf-casting-rod.html">https://www.tackledirect.com/shima

Asked by Jaime RodrÃguez 5 years ago

what is the split section of this rod particularly 9' ? 50/50, 60/40, 70/30? thank you.

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Tyler Bennett 5 years ago

The 9ft rod is a 50/50 splitÂ

Asked by Quyen. Duong 5 years ago

Shimano speedMaster surf cast rod 149.99 $. No tax ?

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Christopher Riegel 5 years ago

Hi Sir! Thanks for your question! That is correct. If you are to purchase the rod and ship it to Kansas, then you do not have to pay any sales tax.

Asked by Matt 5 years ago

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Andrew Montagna 5 years ago

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Asked by Ej 5 years ago

I have some 6500 Reels live bait will they work for Saltwater surf and what Rod to accommodate

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Rebecca Redington 5 years ago

Absolutely. Depending on what 6500 size reel you have (different manufacturers have different sizes), and what you are targeting and how much distance you need any Speedmaster between 10 - 12 ft would be good.Â

Asked by Kevin 5 years ago

How much does the 12 foot medium heavy spinning rod weight

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Tyler Bennett 5 years ago

The 12ft medium heavy is 17oz

Asked by Kanoa 5 years ago

Are the guides on the casting rod specifically designed to cast braid only or mono also?

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

The guides can either handle braid or monoÂ

Asked by Ahmed 5 years ago

For inshore surf fishing- What is the reel can be paired the 12" heavy spinning rod?!!

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

A 10000 saragosa would pair well with a 12 foot heavy surf rod as well as the Shimano Ultegra ci4+ 5500

Asked by Ahmed Abdulkder 5 years ago

Can 12 foot med heavy ( Casting) paired with stradic FL 5000 ?

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Ethan 5 years ago

You would have to use a spinning rod with the stradic 5000fl

Asked by Victor Pajarito 5 years ago

This type off rod, can be good for my reel shimanno socorro 10.000? If not please recoment me one.

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Alyssa Madosky 5 years ago

The Socorro is a great reel and 10000 would pair with 11ft or 12ft because of the sizeÂ

Asked by Anandan 5 years ago

whats the weight of 10' 6" surf rod?

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Ethan 5 years ago

Once we have one here we will be able to see how heavy it is.

Asked by JAMES GOLDEN 5 years ago

Is the 9' 50/50 split?

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Ethan Matuzsan 5 years ago

As soon as we have some in-store we will get that information.

Asked by John Gordinas 5 years ago

Is the speedmaster basically a lower priced version of the Tiralejo? If so what is the biggest difference?

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

The speedmaster rods are made to be paired with long cast shimano reels with the way the guides are setup on the blank, that's the biggest difference.Â

Asked by Jeff 5 years ago

Would a Shimano Saragosa 8000 size reel balance on the SPMS100M2 or better on the 10'6" model? Also, what type of warranty does this come with?

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

The 8000 will pair up with either rod and is covered by a one year warrantyÂ

Asked by TC 5 years ago

Need opinions/reviews. For 11" rod, which is the best rod of the 3 brands. Shimano speed master surf, Lamiglas insane surf, Tsunami airwave series surf with regards to performance?Which is the lightest rod? Best for casting around 4-5 oz lure weights?

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

For either 3 of these rods to be considered the "best" is up for debate. In my personal opinion the speedmaster Is the most balanced out of the three.Â

Asked by Tony Cols 5 years ago

what is the split section of this rod particularly 11' and 12'? 50/50, 60/40, 70/30? thank you.

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

They are a 50/50 splitÂ

Asked by Antonio Leonardo Correa 4 years ago

Hola compre una y las anillas no estÃ¡n alineadas con el reel eso es normal

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Alyssa Madosky 4 years ago

Es difÃcil decir en una imagen, pero asegÃºrese de que todo estÃ© apretado y si todavÃa se ve

Asked by Carrie 5 years ago

Whatâ€™s the weight of the 10â€™6 medium heavy

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

As soon as this rod becomes available we'll be able to get a weight on it for you.Â

Asked by Aiara 5 years ago

Does the rod come in a protective sleeve or a solid pvc type casing?

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

The speedmaster rod does not come with any kind of caseÂ

Asked by Danny Alves 5 years ago

Hi, I would like to know the exact weight of this model SPMS90M2, thanks.

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

8 oz'sÂ

Asked by Chris 5 years ago

How do these rods compare to others in this price point? There seems to be no information even on the Shimano website.

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Bernie De Graaf 5 years ago

These rods are moderately priced but come withÂ great performance known to Shimano products. Here is the link with all the specs from Shimano.Â http://fish.shimano.com/content/fish/northamerica/us/en/homepage/Shimano_Product_Page.P-SPEEDMASTER_SURF_SP

Asked by william lint 2 years ago

I have the Shimano Ultegra 14000 XTD. Will the 12MH be a good match for throwing 3 to 4 ounces?

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Brendan - TackleDirect Customer Service 2 years ago

Hi William, The Shimano SPMS120MH2 SpeedMaster Surf Spinning Rod would be ideal to pair with the Shimano Ultegra 14000 XTD spinning reel. However, since it's currently sold out I would also recommend the Shimano SPMS110MH2 SpeedMaster Surf Spinning

Asked by matt hhhhhhhhhhhhhh 2 years ago

What is the weight of the 12 foot rod?

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Brendan - TackleDirect Customer Service 2 years ago

Hi Matt, According ot Shimano, The Shimano SPMS120H2 SpeedMaster Surf Spinning Rod has a rod weight of 18.4 ounces or 1.15lbs. Please let us know if theres anything else we can assist you with. Tight Lines.

Asked by Seth Scott 2 years ago

What's the durability of it? I'm looking for a pole that last a lot longer than a year that guides are busting and falling out.

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Brendan - TackleDirect Customer Service 2 years ago

Hi Seth, The Shimano Speedmaster Surf Rods are currently sold out. However, I would recommend the St. Croix Seage Surf Spinning Rods. <a>https://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-seage-surf-spinning-rods.html</a> These rods use Sea Guide He

Asked by Rob 2 years ago

Will the 12ft mh casting rod be good for sturgeon fishing. IÂ Usually use 8oz or do I have to look for something in heavy power?Â

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Brendan - TackleDirect Customer Service 2 years ago

Hi Rob, I would recommend the Shimano SPMS120H2 SpeedMaster Surf Spinning Rod since you are casting 8oz weights. However, since this rod is currently sold out I would also recommend the Tsunami TSTIISS-1202XH Trophy II Surf Spinning Rod. <a>h

Asked by Robert 3 years ago

Does the Shimano Stradic 5000FL pair with the Shimano Speedmaster 9' surf rod, or is it best to use a "Long Cast Concept reel" with the speedster rod?

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Rick - TackleDirect Customer Service 3 years ago

Robert,THe Shimano Stradic 5000 FL will pair with the 9ft SpeedMaster surf rod, but if your looking for better casting distance, then the Shimano SpeedMaster or Ultegra Surf reels would be the way to go.Â Please let me know if there is anything else w

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Hi, I asked a previous question (thanks for responding), but I have one other question. Between the the 12 foot medium heavy, and just heavy, what are the main differences between them besides reaction speed. Which would be better to catch 3 foot sandbar

If use the 12' rod for topwater popper (~2OZ) fishing, which one is better, <a href="https://www.fishermansworld.net/spms120mh2.html" style="background: 0px 0px rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(66, 139, 202); text-decoration-line: none; outline: none; font-

Can the spinning 12â€™ heavy of this rod be paired with a daiwa bg 8000? And the lure rating says 2-6 oz but do you think it can be pushed to 8 oz?

What is the distance from the bottom of the rod to the reell seat? In regards to the 12' mh casting rod? Thanks

The 9' Speedmaster is rated for 30 - 50# Braided line. What weight range of mono would work best on this rod?

What Shimano reel would you recommend for the 12 foot medium heavy casting rod? Will be used to fish in the surf in northern Florida. Thanks for your time and advice.

I plan to buy this rod with 11', Is it possible to pair with Shimano baitrunner 8000D reel?

hi guys what reel would pair well with my SPMS100M2 - 10' - Medium iam trying to do long casting surf fishing from Jetty, beach and piers<p>the target species that iam looking are bluefish, big stripe bass, albies and fluke. </p>

Would the 9ft version pair well with a tsunami saltx 6000?

What is the weight of the 9 foot rod

On the 12ft Hvy power rod, how many line guides are there on the lower section of the Rod?

Any comment for this rod 10' 6 MH paired with Saragosa 5000 reel? Thanks

Would the speedmaster xtc 14000, pair nicely with the shimano speedmaster spinning rod? Will sharks be able to be caught with this rod? What pound line would be necessary for about 3 foot sand bars?<p><br></p>

<h1 style="white-space: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 1.6em; font-family: "Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: -webkit-center;">Hello, I have a Penn Clash 5000, and I would like to pair it with a

Which model would be appropriate for a Saragosa 10000? I have 50 LB test braid on the reel. Thanks

Would a saltiga ld30h match the 11ft rod?<br>

<span style="font-size: 20px; font-weight: 700; white-space: normal;">what is the split section of this rod particularly 9' ? 50/50, 60/40, 70/30? thank you.</span>

Shimano speedMaster surf cast rod 149.99 $. No tax ?

How much does the 11â€™MH SPEEDMASTER Spinning rod weigh?<p><span style="white-space: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(17, 17, 17); color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: "Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14.39999

I have some 6500 Reels live bait will they work for Saltwater surf and what Rod to accommodate

How much does the 12 foot medium heavy spinning rod weight

Are the guides on the casting rod specifically designed to cast braid only or mono also?

For inshore surf fishing- What is the reel can be paired the 12" heavy spinning rod?!!

Can 12 foot med heavy ( Casting) paired with stradic FL 5000 ?

This type off rod, can be good for my reel shimanno socorro 10.000? If not please recoment me one.

<span style="font-size: 16px; white-space: normal;">whats the weight of 10' 6" surf rod?</span>

Is the 9' 50/50 split?

Is the speedmaster basically a lower priced version of the Tiralejo? If so what is the biggest difference?

Would a Shimano Saragosa 8000 size reel balance on the SPMS100M2 or better on the 10'6" model? Also, what type of warranty does this come with?<br>

Need opinions/reviews. For 11" rod, which is the best rod of the 3 brands. Shimano speed master surf, Lamiglas insane surf, Tsunami airwave series surf with regards to performance?<p>Which is the lightest rod? Best for casting around 4-5 oz lure weights?

what is the split section of this rod particularly 11' and 12'? 50/50, 60/40, 70/30? thank you.

<font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Hola compre una y las anillas no estÃ¡n alineadas con el reel eso es normal</font></font>

Whatâ€™s the weight of the 10â€™6 medium heavy

Does the rod come in a protective sleeve or a solid pvc type casing?

Hi, I would like to know the exact weight of this model SPMS90M2, thanks.

How do these rods compare to others in this price point? There seems to be no information even on the Shimano website.

I have the Shimano Ultegra 14000 XTD. Will the 12MH be a good match for throwing 3 to 4 ounces?

What is the weight of the 12 foot rod?

What's the durability of it? I'm looking for a pole that last a lot longer than a year that guides are busting and falling out.

Will the 12ft mh casting rod be good for sturgeon fishing. IÂ <p>Usually use 8oz or do I have to look for something in heavy power?Â </p>

Does the Shimano Stradic 5000FL pair with the Shimano Speedmaster 9' surf rod, or is it best to use a "Long Cast Concept reel" with the speedster rod?